Episode 214

 Outlander Podcast

 Ep. 214

 Discussion of ‘Outlander’ Episode 302

 “Surrender”



 *This podcast is in no way affiliated with the STARZ production or Diana Gabaldon. All views expressed are solely our own.



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 [Ginger Wiseman]: Welcome to the Outlander Podcast.

 [Summer Reynolds]:  Where the men are kilted…

 [Ginger]:  The women are winsome…

 [Summer]:  And the whisky is neat.



 [Ginger]: Welcome to episode 214 of the Outlander Podcast. I’m Ginger.

 [Summer]:  And I’m Summer and we are in love with all things Outlander.



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<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  So, Summer we’re back, gonna talk about 302! Whoo-hoo! But first we have some listener feedback from people about… I mean from people as opposed to cats…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  From people? No, from listeners. Geez!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  From listeners, oh my gosh, so sorry! From the best people on the planet, our friends and listeners about 301.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  First up is Amy D.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]: “Hi Ginger and Summer this is Amy D. from Kentucky and I love your podcast. The first moment that really tore into me on my first watch of the season 3 premiere and that was Jamie at the stones right after Claire has gone back through them. Watching him in those moments touching the stone, picking up the tartan wrap that she’d left behind, smelling it, seeing him just at loose ends knowing that she was gone, just broke my heart. You know, logically these are moment that all of us, as book readers and as show watchers knew existed, but seeing them played out and getting to watch Sam portray Jamie in those moments, and getting to experience it along with him just gut-wrenching! Especially, combined with the close ups of Jamie’s face as he was laying on the battlefield knowing that he was remembering and realizing all over again that the love of his life was gone. Those were just beautifully tragic moments and I loved them.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh wow! Yeah, that was kind of… whoo! Those were, um, I’d forgotten about that and I don’t think we talked about that last week, him remembering her, or picking up her shawl after she had gone.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of Caller]:  “The whole good-bye scene between Jamie and Rupert was amazing! I loved that Rupert sort of forgave Jamie for what happened with Dougal. I loved the mention of Angus and the notion that Rupert and Angus would soon be reunited. I loved that the scene was poignant and touching, and yet also humorous. I just think that was very fitting for these two characters and the kind of relationship that they’d always had. Um, but the thing that really, really got me, in that scene was Jamie’s quivering lips when he heard Rupert being shot. It was heartbreaking and Sam completely and totally embodied the image of a man who had lost everything, including his last friend on earth, or so he thought. Um, Sam was so incredibly, beautifully tragic in that scene, in the whole episode. I think they should just hand him the Emmy right now based on this episode and I can wait to see what he does with the rest of this season. So, that was my other really stand-out moment. The good-bye scene between Jamie and Rupert and Jamie’s quivering lips at the gun shot.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  What do you think? Do you agree?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It’s funny because, I know I’ve said this in the past about if there was ever a season that Jamie’s character I thought would be like award season worthy, it was going to be the first season because, I mean he goes through the most traumatic things in the first season, I think. The character formulating forming things that happen to him in season 1 and I was like, if they don’t give it to him for season 1, he’s never gonna get an Emmy. And I, having started watching season 3, I don’t know why it never occurred to me that his performance could be as strong or as powerful with the season 3 material as it was with season 1 but I think she’s absolutely right. He’s doing an amazing job this season so far. I mean we’re only one episode in.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Agreed. And also, this is where I thought you were going to go, is that just you know, not knowing how necessarily exactly how they’re going to handle it in the show but knowing how the books go, if there ever were a time, and I mean this in the best possible way with complete fan love, if there ever were a change for Sam to win something and not, although Caitriona’s still in the show and Claire was still in the books. If there ever were a time for Sam, or Jamie, to shine, it’s in the 20 years that they are apart, (laughing) because he’s not in a scene with her. As long as they’re apart they’re not going to be in the scenes together, obviously. But, um, she’s still in the show in her own time period. But I’m wondering if having them in separate time frames, which means they literally aren’t together face to face, that there is no… I don’t think Claire upstages him purposefully or legitimately. But I think because it truly is, Claire is the hero of this. I know everyone loves Jamie but Claire is the heroine. She is the first lead. They are both the leads but this is Claire’s story, definitely the first book. But, I’m curious if we’ll see just as astounding performances from Sam, as was from episode 1, in coming episodes as long as they’re apart. You know what I mean? Because he’s not there to be with her so, #1 it’s more tragic, #2 he can completely shine.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Next is Debbie S. Let me read what she shared. “I loved the first episode and like many others have watched it multiple times. This one part, I didn’t like was when Frank told Claire she could choose to stay with him or go. That wasn’t true to the book and I wonder how that will play out when Claire and Frank have their final argument before he… goes away somewhere (giggling), other than the part of the scene, I loved the episode.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> Well, Debbie, we will all have to see how that with play out.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Linda G. shares, “I’m just curious as to how they’re going to show Murtagh’s death or did he survive and they will change the story line? Please let it be true! Will his death be in flashbacks? Jamie telling Jenny… or him telling the story himself? Rupert’s death was amazing. It was very sad. That brought tears to my eyes the way Jamie looked at him and him forgiving him for what he did to Dougal. The ending with the nurse asking where the red hair came from, they could have easily said the grandparents but the look on Frank’s face and Claire was a classic. I did enjoy the episode and I wanted to see more of a violent death with Black Jack Randall. I can’t quite put my finger on what happened with him touching him like he did. Freaky! Overall, I thought it was an amazing episode. Worth the wait! I don’t know how you two were to keep it in because I was dying to know about Murtagh and you didn’t spill any beans.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  (chuckles) That’s our job.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  You’re welcome.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Exactly! Because then you guys get to find out for yourself and that’s even more exciting.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Next up is Amber T.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hi, this is Amber from Ontario, Canada. I just watched episode 1 of season 3, The Battle Joined. I’m strictly a television watcher and have not read the books. This episode was slow for me with all the build-up I thought it would be a faster paced episode. I did not like Jamie having the flash-back scenes of Culloden. I feel like if it was in real time it would have been more exciting. Also, I was hoping for more of an exciting death for Black Jack. That being said, I’m glad Rupert found Jamie and gave peace about Dougal’s death before Rupert was shot. It was such a sad scene. Poor Frank! I do feel bad for him and I feel like Claire is not adjusting well. But she sure does look gorgeous. I liked the scene where Frank’s boss underestimated Claire. You can see where her drive comes from. It was so sad when they put Claire out for her delivery and when she woke thinking the baby was dead. So heartbreaking! I loved how they ended the episode with the red hair. Overall, good episode, I just thought it could have been better. Thanks ladies”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Amber T. first of all welcome, welcome, welcome to the Outlander Podcast. I think that is your first time submitting. I could be wrong but I don’t remember your name from last year. If I am wrong then please correct me. But it is thrilling to hear from you and to hear from all the new people. We love it! We appreciate it, especially because you are coming to us at a very special time. Because you are a show watcher, not a book reader, which means you are probably not listening to our read-a-longs, although I could be wrong. So, to me that is so exciting because you are coming to us during the seasons which means, unless it’s your first time which is possible, you’re coming back, and back, and back, and back, so please come back, and back, and back, and back. Thank you so much!

<p class="MsoNormal"> Teresa K. says, “Episode 301 was awesome. The battlefield scenes were almost exactly how I pictured it in my head and now we finally know how Jamie killed BJR. My biggest quibble, and what has prompted me to write this, is the reaction of fans and critics regarding the misogyny directed at Claire in the episode. I’ve read several reviews and comments that it was “Too heavy handed” and that even Mad Men wasn’t so blatant in its treatment of sexism. Many of these comments have been made by women. So after my head exploded a little bit and I calmed down, I asked an Outlander Facebook group I belong to if any of them had thought the episode was heavy handed. Maybe my perspective needed some fine tuning and I’m always interested in others viewpoints. Not one of the responses supported the critics point of view and many posted personal experiences in which their identities as women had been trampled on. Some were instances in the not-to-distant past of the 70’s, so for me the 40’s misogyny portrayed was entirely believable. I admit my focus group was probably made up by many like-minded individuals but you work with the tools you have. My question to you and your listeners, how do you think the misogyny was handled in this episode? Was it unbelievable?”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I’m going to let Summer take that one, Teresa.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I didn’t think it was unbelievable. I thought that it was very believable in the way that it was portrayed. Um, I feel like it’s all of the romanticizing I’ve maybe had in my head of that era is completely gone. (laughing)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Outlander you destroyed her dream (giggling).

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah. Like I said, I have no desire to ever travel back to the 1940s, ever. Um, even though they had some really cool styles for ladies but other than that, no interested.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Next up is Jo B.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hi, it’s Jo from Melbourne, Australia. Loved the episode, I really liked the use of a very simple theme music that didn’t have any obvious national characteristic and I think that might reflect the ban of the bagpipes that’s gonna happen right after the end of this episode. I really liked that the last time we will probably hear them is over the saltire and they fade as the battle starts. I think that was really indicative. I also loved Rupert. I thought he stepped up really well. He’s always been a bit comic relief and he was that here too but he really stepped up in the way he took care of the survivors in that barn. And the losing side of history plays as he goes to face his death and I thought that was a great use of that theme again. I also really liked that it’s the British fires that they lit at the start of the battle that light the Jamie and Black Jack scene. I thought that was really great subversive use of that romantic cliché of them running towards each other in beautiful lighting but it’s actually quite destructive. I also liked that we see Lord Melton step out and take quite a big risk for himself. His family’s honor is probably held in such high esteem he takes quite a big risk for himself in following up on what his brother did. Um, and for Claire, I think there’s no way she would have had that horrible doctor and I hope that Dr. Bell that she was talking about earlier was much nicer. Anyway, thank you. Bye!”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And, now we’ll hear from Keisha.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hi Ginger and Summer, it’s Keisha from Maryland. I’m just calling in about episode 301. Um, I was so ready for Doughtlander to be over and glad that it is. I’m really excited about this season to see what Ron and the team do for Outlander fans. I really loved the dream sequence. I really loved it being in Jamie’s POV. Um, can’t wait to hear everybody else’s reactions. Um, I’m just ready for episode 303. Thanks so much for your time. Have a good one. Bye, bye.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Christy R. writes, “What an episode, aye? I’m on vacation and had to special order STARZ for just the night because I could NOT wait for one more day to watch the premiere. It definitely delivered. While I’m definitely team Jamie, this episode really cast light on how much Frank truly had to sacrifice. I’ve honestly kind of pushed that character to the back ground and this first episode Tobias did an awesome job at portraying just how hard it had to have been on Frank who loved his wife, was willing to be in second place but still wanted Claire to make the choice to be with him. He was the star in tonight’s episode, in my opinion. Amazing lighting during the BJR and Jamie fight scene, it looked like a dream. While I read the book, watching the scene where the men volunteer to get shot was heart wrenching. Jamie listening to Rupert’s death was heart breaking. Claire being spoken down to by Frank’s boss, whoooie! But I think her time in the 1700s and dealing with all the times she put Jamie in jeopardy by doing and saying what she was thinking actually is what gave her pause in that Boston scene. Knowing what she had learned gave her the maturity to put Frank first before her pride. Can’t wait to listen, ladies, to the podcast and to continue the journey.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  But I feel like when she goes, if she goes back, when she goes back… later in the season… I feel like all of her hard-earned knowledge of keeping mouth shut and thinking of the greater good will all be gone. I think it’s a temporary state and probably brought on by pregnancy.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Next up is Lisa T.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hi Lassies! It’s Lisa T. I just had a couple of observations from episode 301 last night. Um, the first one is more speculation but we know from the first season that we see Jamie’s ghost outside of Claire’s window and he’s about 25 years old, it’s just before she goes back and I think that moment when she’s walking across the battlefield. I think in that moment when he sees Claire, that’s when his ghost is sort of crossing paths and I think that that is on the battlefield and then we saw Rupert, you know, kind of bring him back to where he was. So, I think, you know, sort of the ghost, the dream of Claire was an angle coming for him but it’s not his time. So, anyway that’s my theory about that. And then at the very end, and there is so much in this episode, but this just really struck me… the very end, just when we see Claire and she wakes up after giving birth she, obviously harkens back to the episode of Faith when you have a moment or terror that her child is dead. That also reminds me of ep. 116 when Jamie says that he wants to die and Claire says,” If you take away the one last thing that makes any sense to me then I’ll die too.” I think there’s a little bit in that moment. Her only reason for not dying and staying at Culloden was the baby and if she had lost her baby then she lost the one thing that made sense to her. So it was a tiny beat but I realized it wasn’t just about her whole existence.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Lisa T. you go deep.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  That’s what she said.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Now when I mentioned a piece called Adagio For Strings that could have been used, that was the same sound quality of the beautiful strings that, I think it was the Dance of the Druids, that accompanied Claire as she walked in the dream sequence, or the ghost sequence, as she walked toward Jamie. I just couldn’t think of the composer. Now several people mentioned it and Regina P. emailed us and she wrote, “In my work I’ve played this piece at many a funeral service.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  She’s a musician and she mentioned it was Samuel Barber’s Adagio for Strings. She says, “I love your podcasts.”  And then in a second email she writes, “Addendum, I love your podcasts so much that I’m going to put aside my animus toward Facebook, reactivate my account, and apply for admission to your group. Again, thanks for all you do for this awesome Outlander fandom.”  Thank you so much Regina and in case you guys are wondering, what the heck is she talking about? Yes, we have a thriving, thriving, amazing Facebook community. Summer what’s that link? How can they join it?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  They go to www.outlanderpod.com/group ?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And Summer loves it because I always throw that her way.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yes, and it’s like you’d think that after all these times I would remember it and every time I don’t.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  She still asks it with a question… “group?”

<p class="MsoNormal"> (giggling)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It’s the worst.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And Melissa M.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hi Ginger and Summer this is Melissa M. from New Jersey. I have so many feelings about this episode, Oh my God! Um, first thought that I had was Rupert is alive. I don’t remember him being alive in the actual, in the books. Oh my gosh, him being in this episode, him bringing Jamie back to wherever they were to take care of him. Oh my God, I loved it but it caused me to cry so hard! I mean listen, they saved him, they saved Rupert from dying in the battle and then you just go kill him, like why would you do that to my heart Ron Moore? But that’s ok. Um, I wanted to talk about the rabbit. I spoke about it on the after show. The rabbit, to me, I just remember that Ginger had been talking about the rabbit test and I thought that it had to be that when Jamie sees the rabbit he may have thought that that was a representation of Claire and Bree being alive. Because he kind of smiles a little bit and then all of a sudden he sees Claire walking across the Culloden battlefield. So, I thought that might be symbolic. I want to hear about your thoughts on that one. Um, other thoughts… Ginger, I know that you love Tobias and I gotta be real, I am not a Frank fan but in this episode, oh man, I loved Frank. Oh I loved him so much in this episode and I felt so bad for him the way that Claire was treating him. I know why she was doing but like, oh my heart broke for him so much in this episode. He was so sweet and loving and I really love Claire with Jamie but … oh gosh… when she moved away from him when he tried to touch her belly… oh, oh my heart broke, my heart broke. Um, but the strongest reaction that I had and I don’t know if anybody else posted about this but… oh man I hate Frank’s boss. I hate Frank’s boss. He was so mean. He was total, I don’t want to say this word… but he was totally a not nice guy and if I could have thrown something, I would have. Ugg! I was shocked that Claire bit her tongue. I know why she did. I know why Frank did but man, man I hated that man. I hated him! Um, ok. I’ve spoken enough though I don’t want to say anything more I just want to end by saying that I love your podcasts and I listen to every episode. I think you guys are hilarious. {---}which I really think is difficult to do. I sing along with every musical theater reference that Ginger brings up, so that’s excellent too. Guys, thank you for your podcast. I love it. I love all of the fandom that I’ve been involved with since I started watching and just thank you. Thank you guys so much. Have a great night. I can’t wait for episode 302.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Ok, first of all, I am forever, officially never going to stop the musical theater references. (laughing)  Oh, Melissa, I love you and your check is in the mail. Oh my gosh!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  That’s coming out of your own personal pocket.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (laughing)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Summer, there was a question she said she wanted to hear our thoughts on, oh the rabbit thing? Um, ok. We already talked about it so we’ve addressed it a little bit as far as the symbolism of what we could find. I know that’s not necessarily proven because it’s our thinking. Um, because the rabbit in history, in legend, in mythology, in folklore, stands for fertility, I absolutely can see it sitting for Bree. Maybe not so much Claire but definitely Bree or, I guess Claire having Bree because that’s fertility. But, um yeah, I can, I don’t have a problem. I think the rabbit is probably a number of things. Remember it was used for prognostication as well as fertility, so I think it’s all one big ball of rabbit goodness.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Delicious.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Laura writes, “Dear Ladies. I woke up in the middle of the night and watched 301 twice. I am very happy…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  That’s it?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  “… I’m a very happy book reader this morning. My thoughts and impressions – Can Tobias, Sam, and Caitriona get any better? Awesome performances by everyone. Rupert, how noble was he in the face of certain death. What a true leader of men there at the end and in true Rupert fashion, he even had a quip at the end. I can’t say enough about my admiration for the acting skills of Grant O’Rourke. I don’t remember the name of the character sitting next to Jamie who kissed his hand. ‘I’ll take my leave of ye now.’ Tugged at heartstrings. And, Hal! I finally got to see Hal an honorable officer, who in the midst of following orders discharged his brother’s debt of honor by sparing Jamie’s life. Frank is trying so hard to reconnect with Claire but her heart is frozen, in amber? I’ve always been Team Frank, the tragic hero of the story who loses his wife twice. Once when she leaves and also when she comes back. But Tobias brings Frank to life and makes me weep for all he has lost. I enjoyed how Ron has fleshed out his story in the series. I want Diana to write a Frank book. Can’t wait for episode 302. P.S.  The music, set decoration, and costumes BRAVO to all of the crew who added so much to the show with all their hours of hard work.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> Well, Laura, what I will say is that Diana announced… I don’t have the date memorized… I should because I always say I remember dates but in June of 2014 when Diana was in Sacramento at the event for her book tour for Written In My Own Hearts Blood or MOBY, as it’s affectionately known, she said… Now if I am wrong, again I am happy to be corrected but I had not heard about it since then. The show had not come out yet so there wasn’t as much press back then as there is nowadays with it blowing up everywhere. But, if I am not mistaken, that was definitely the first I’d ever heard of her announcing a book coming, not written yet, but coming out at some point she plans called, What Frank Knew. So, Diana has already said more than three years ago that there will be a book about Frank. And, what I like to always remind people… because I’m reminded of it constantly, is especially in the scene where we see him writing that letter… the beginning… just before Claire comes down and said her waters broke, when he’s beginning a letter to Reverend Wakefield that’s the beginning of that correspondence, I’ll say that much. Well, remember that Frank was a spy during the war or also known as a spook. Once a spook always a spook, they say and also as I Tweeted or put in a Tweet somewhere, this is a long game. It is not a quicky thing. They are separated for about 20 years.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Next up is Michael M.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Howdy Ginger. Howdy Summer. This is Michael from Shawnee, Kansas. I would like to begin by saying I enjoyed your review of episode 301 and I also very much enjoyed your read-a-long and I listened from chapter 1 all the way to the end. Getting on to episode 301 I have a couple points but I will say at first my views are different. Not just because I’m a guy but if you ask my friends they will tell you, they are different. The Harvard dean, Frank’s boss – I think he was doubly upset, not just because Claire was a woman reading a newspaper but she was reading THE GLOBE! I mean, the guy reeked of conservative, republican and she was talking about a liberal newspaper. I think he would have admonished Frank if he’d brought up an article in The Globe. I like to watch the show a couple of time and it’s enjoyable but also the second viewing I also pick up details I missed before. For example, that item that Claire threw at Frank in their fight was an ashtray. I picked that up the second time because when they were in the hospital, when she was in labor, they talked about the ashtray that she threw at him and then Frank told her well don’t throw an ashtray at this doctor. And the other thing I picked up on the second viewing is… well, first of all, in the first viewing the very beginning I was watching with lots of reverence. The second time, however, when I saw the cart and I saw the bodies another thought popped into my head, (sound of bell ringing and a cart ‘Bring out your dead’ a sound bite from Monty Python’s Search for the Holy Grail).”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  (laughing) Michael almost always ends his audio feedback with some kind of… or maybe this is only the second time, maybe it’s just been twice now but I thought it was more than twice but the first time, I think was when he threw in a “Jared” and if you don’t know what that is… you’re welcome. Because I don’t want to hurt anybody more than I’ve already hurt people.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Next up is Morgan C.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hi Ginger and Summer, it’s Morgan calling from Vancouver B.C. I wanted to talk and point out just sort of a small moment that is probably a bit of a throwaway for most people when Rupert and Jamie are talking, waiting for the execution from the English. And, they talk about Angus and the snoring and, you know Jamie makes a comment about the snoring and Rupert sort of laughingly points out that Angus had been the one that had snored all along. That one really stood out to me sort of as a shining moment and sort of defining moment when these two men are sort of facing end of days and the end of their lives. I’m assuming it was something that as a group the Highlanders had sort of joked about the snoring and it had been sort of an inside joke, if you will. And that some of it resonated with me because I’m actually somebody that has had to fight with a partner over the fact that they snored and they kept insisting, oh it’s not me, it’s not me. And I actually pulled out my phone in the middle of the night when said individual was snoring, woke me up, to prove a point and it became a joke and, you know, shared it with family and all that kind of stuff. So that moment really stood out to me and I think it’s a really good example of what this show does well in these moments that have absolute terror and horror, bringing in these humanizing aspects and small bits of humor and history that sort of show the time and the energy in the life that these men had. And the fact that that’s what they focus on. Not the negatives of Rupert not understanding why Dougal had been killed by Jamie and Claire or Rupert not wanting to hold onto that. It’s reminiscing and I thought that was a really beautiful moment that really stood out. Loving season 3 so far, can’t wait to hear more about you guys and other fans think. So we’ll talk to you soon.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And we end our listener feedback portion for 301 with a final word from Amy D. who just couldn’t get enough of her…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Voice of caller]:  “Hey, this is Amy D. again and I’m on my fourth watch of The Battle Joined. One of the things that I noticed the last two times that I watched was the little flake of snow that lands on Jamie’s lip as he’s lying there in the battlefield after its gotten dark. I loved the way that his lip curls inward and his tongue comes out to get that snow flake that little bit of liquid and it makes me wonder if maybe, just maybe Jamie’s survival instinct or a small spark of it is still there. That he would reach out for that small bit of liquid that, tiny, tiny piece of hope.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I clearly am watching this show wrong. I’m not paying enough attention to Jamie’s tongue.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]: (laughing) that’s why we have listener comments or listener, yeah. They give us, whether it’s a read-a-long or episode discussion, y’all are pretty awesome. And finally, a shout out to Susan M. If you guys let us know, we try to include a shout out in the episode most closely following to you letting us know about having left us a review on iTunes. So, thank you so much Susan, that was very kind of you. And if you guys, if you love Outlander and we’ve helped quench your thirst for Outlander, even a wee bit, we’d be honored if you’d leave us a review on iTunes and if you’d like a shout out, let us know. We’d be more than happy to… well, we want to thank you definitely but we would absolutely love to give you guys a shout out. You can just send us an email at [mailto:Outlanderpod@gmail.com Outlanderpod@gmail.com ] or [mailto:hello@outlanderpod.com hello@outlanderpod.com ] and let us know if you’ve left us a rating or review and tell us the username that you left it under so we can make sure to be able to get you name right.

<p class="MsoNormal"> OK, Summer, it’s on to 302

<p class="MsoNormal"> (32:35)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Alright, now we are moving on to our episode 302 recap discussion. Episode 302 was entitled “Surrender”.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  So, as we always do, we start at the beginning. So the music Summer, the song… did it sound similar to you as it did last week and did you notice any different like photography during… was the visual any different to you?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  If it was I did not notice.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  That’s how I felt. So I… even though I don’t think it was different because I just didn’t notice it the first time around. Was it you, or was it someone else who mentioned the TV knob instead of the radio knob?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  That was not me. That was somebody in our live after show, I believe who brought that up and I was like, Oh my God, you are so right!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh my gosh, seriously? Ok, let’s give it a plug for that! Oh my gosh! By the time this airs or this is published you guys, we will literally be in our live after show because it goes up shortly after the East Coast premiere on Sunday nights. But, in case you don’t catch us this week you can catch us, actually you can catch us after the fact any time and always still post. People are still responding, even now four days after the live after show. But we are doing a live after show each week after the episode airs at 6:15 Pacific and 9:15pm Eastern in our Facebook group and the easiest way to go there is to go to Outlanderpod.com/group. There are three very easy screening questions. Just to keep out spammers because, seriously y’all if you could see some of the stuff that… yeah, people write yes, yes, yes to all the questions… uh, no. So we have people from all over the world in our group and we love and welcome them all but we have zero tolerance for spammers and people who share pirated content. So, we are very careful. It’s a very safe group, a very kind group. That’s really our only rule, be kind. It’s very safe and very protected. We are doing our live after show there. Summer and I have already… by the time the show ends our show is already done, edited, and ready to post. So, it’s so exciting to meet with people right afterwards and we can’t change the episode, right? Our stuff… our opinions are there. What we saw or didn’t see is done so there’s no going back. So, what you see and what we discuss at the live after show is literally on the spot. The listeners or the watchers, the viewers in that case make it. So, it’s one hour long and we would love to have you guys at any time.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, the music I think was kind of the same. The visuals I didn’t notice a difference but I did notice the TV knob this time. I definitely noticed the difference there.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I was looking for it this time.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And I didn’t notice it the first time but I’m not saying it wasn’t there but this time I also noticed the chains falling to the ground. Did you ever see that the first time?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah, I saw that.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  OK. That made me think, “Uh oh!”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  That made me think of Ardsmuir.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  So the title card this time was a Red Coat nailing up a broadsheet of Red Jamie.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Ok, were those pipes or was that the Hurdy-gurdy?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Um, I… good question…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Sometimes I can’t tell the difference.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  If it was a pipe it was a drone in low and steady. Because a hurdy-gurdy is also low but maybe not always low but it’s always steady…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Low and droney instead… yeah…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  No, that’s a good question. We’ll have to see what Bear says.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  And I blame Bear McCreary that I know what a Hurdy-gurdy is now.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  But we blame Bear for a lot of stuff that we’re very thankful for.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, we’re given something here. We’re given a date and a place. We weren’t given that… I mean maybe in episode 1 did they say it was Culloden? I mean it’s kind of obvious.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Well, it was definite they put the year, I think for sure…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Got it… well, in this episode yeah they put Scotland 1752. I’m just wondering if they put anything in episode 1 because I did not go back and check. It is now 6 years after Culloden and that’s obviously why they had to do the year. The Scotland bit would have been real clear, real quick, but the time, maybe not so much. But it’s 6 years after Culloden. We see a group of boys running around the land surrounding Lallybroch and its not-so-baby Fergus. They go into the dovecote. Now, this is spelled, if I’m not mistaken, dovcot. And I first heard this or learned about it on our trip to Scotland in 2015, our first PodAbroad. And we were going to, what were the ruins of that castle that you wandered off…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Was it Abbeymoore?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]: (laughing) Yes, it was Abbeymoore. Mandy and I could not find my sister. We don’t know what… (laughing)…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I needed to get away. We’d been trapped in a car all together and I was just like, “I can’t…”  The problem is I didn’t pay first… so…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  That’s true (laughing)…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  That was the real problem…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Well, yes… like, I don’t care once you’re legal you can go off… taken an hour and go off by yourself… So, we lost Summer but on that trip, Mandy and I… I don’t if Summer had popped in yet but Mandy and I… Well, we all waked around together because she had been there before and she basically was pretty much our tour guide that trip. And she showed us this beautiful conical, kind of like… yeah…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Kind of like a bee hive

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Upside down… yeah exactly… almost like a bee hive that was gorgeous. And she pronounced it doocut but it’s spelled like dovecot. Basically, where doves lived. So where they bred, where they had their babies, it’s basically where they lived.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  They were kind of like tamed…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Yeah…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  And they would breed in there and that way they would always have meat in the winter.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Exactally. So, the reason I wrote this down was not just where the boys went… ok… they went into the dovecot. Now, every time I hear doocut I think of those two syllables together my brain always tries to match sounds… like where did I hear doocut… I’ve never heard doocut, right? I’ve heard of ductit but we’re not hearing that we’re only hearing doocut. So I’m like why does that sound familiar even though I’ve never heard that word? This is what it came from in my brain… (singing) “Manducat dominum”. So, I had to Google that… Manducat dominum, see… it’s Latin… my brain remembered that. So, I did look it up and…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  You’re such a nerd…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I am such a nerd but only remembered like half a Latin word. Ever since I’ve heard that I always thought of the Latin song. I had to look it up to find out what it was but… I knew the tune and I knew the “…ducat.”  And I could sing it. And it is from Panis Angelicus. That’s where I remember that from.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, they go to the dovecot and they retrieve a pistol. Now we learn that weapons are now outlawed in Scotland since the Rising.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  But can we talk about the fact that Fergus says, “I swear you’re lying…” and then immediately finds the gun himself.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  (laughing)  I did not catch that…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  He’s like… he’s like “Oh, I saw someone put it in here just the other day.” and Fergus is like, “I swear you’re lying.” And then he’s like “Oh, but look, I found it.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Not only did he find it, he really wants to use it. Fergus is like… he is full of fire this episode. I have a few more things to say about that later on when I want to make a comparison. My first watch or at least the first part of the episode I was like… “Dude! Fergus, get a grip it’s been 6 years.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, the boys are running back to Lallybroch where we see Redcoats taking Ian away to jail, and the offense apparently no handing over Red Jamie. As the government troops believe he’s there hiding somewhere. Poor Ian with his wooden leg. They are really… they haul him out of there. Oh my gosh! In a really not nice way.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I mean, I don’t think there’s a nice way to arrest somebody in the 1700s. Um, I want to go back a second because when Fergus was talking about… when he was boasting about killing the soldiers and he was so full of…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Himself…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Bravado in retelling it but if I remember correctly, he was in like straight-up shock after it went down in real time. So, I just think he’s remembering it in a very different light than it actually went down. I think he has seriously romanticized. I think time and distance has allowed his mind to kind of romanticize the war and I also think that was the last time his “family” was together. So, he wants to go back to that. That’s where he came to this land during this upheaval and plus he has seen, almost as an outsider who’s been moved in to an insider position because he was from France and he came over here with his people and then was thrust into this war and then all of his people… He’s on the losing side. So all he sees is that not only did they lose but they are constantly being harassed by the British. He’s like… “Somebody has to make it stop. And why aren’t we doing it?” His role model that he was raised after the brothel was James Fraser who was a badass and now he’s not and Fergus doesn’t understand. He is growing up and he’s at a different stage in his life now but he’s still kind of childlike in his belief that good is going to conquer evil and it’s just a matter of time and when are we going to do this again. That rebellion won’t be the last. So, I think it’s a child’s or an adolescent romanticizing of war and hoping to get back their pride, I guess.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And did you hear what Ian said to the young boy who ran up to him saying, “Father…”  He said, “It’s ok, Jamie.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Where are the rest of his kids?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  All the girls?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  All of them.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  The have to be somewhere because they didn’t kill the kids. We’re pretty sure they didn’t kill all the kids.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]: Were they hiding all the girls? I mean there were literally no girls.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  The girls are probably inside doing chores like cooking or cleaning or… who knows.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Considering how small Young Jamie was… Young Jamie I thought would have been older. I thought Young Jamie was supposed to be right about the same age as Fergus.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I thought Young Jamie was born just before…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  No, that was Maggie. Jamie was a toddler when…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Jamie was the first, the oldest. OK…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah.,,

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  So that was approximately probably 2ish years. So yeah, he probably should be like 8 or so.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I thought that if I remembered the books correctly that they were at a similar age, Jamie and Fergus.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Well…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  And Rabbie was older but I thought Jamie and Fergus were a comparable age.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  When they meet Fergus he is 10, right? 9 or 10, in the books. I’m not saying he looked 10 in the show but he is around 10 in the books and they came from…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Maybe I’m remembering it wrong. Maybe it was Rabbie MacNab and Fergus that were supposed to be the same age.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I think, yeah. Yeah, that sounds closer.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Ok, I’ve got it back.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  It was just so sweet to have him say, “It’s ok Jamie.”  Because you remember that they had indeed named their child Jamie.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Captain Samuel Lewis of His Majesties 10th Dragoons is asking about the Dun Bonnet. Jenny comes out, WOW is she pregnant again. I have to say that her waist is… to put your hands on your hips in a huff. It doesn’t quite work. The way her gown was she was putting her hands on her sides. (laughing)  It just didn’t have the same command as if she were putting them on her actual hips. So that was kind of comical. Poor Laura Donnelly and she does it quite a few times in this episode. She did her best but with that dress it’s almost impossible.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Jenny lists the names of other military men who have come by threatening to do damage if they don’t hand Jamie over and you see Mary MacNab in the background.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  She needs to go away.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  They kept her in this episode… boy did they ever keep her! Ugg! So there’s a reward, we find out, leading to the capture of Red Jamie and there goes Fergus… He’s like a little Claire isn’t he? He can’t keep his mouth shut when it would behoove him to. “Scots and the Redcoats, you’re the traitor!”  So he is definitely building a friendship with that Redcoat.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  MacGregor’s a douche bag.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh, he’s a… uh huh.

<p class="MsoNormal"> We learn that the third boy, as Summer said, is Rabbie MacNab, son of Mary and Robert, I think or his dad… How did they deal with him? Did he die in the first year? Did they kill him? Or do we know yet?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Well, I know that he’s… I’m pretty sure he died. I know they killed him. They burned the house down. Somebody burned his house down in the books. I don’t off the top of my head recall but I don’t think it ended well because his wife and his child are living at Lallybroch.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  We don’t know how or if they’re going to deal with it.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  He must be gone or else she wouldn’t be going off to the Dun Bonnet cave and doinking Jamie.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Exactly. What I’m saying is I don’t know if they’re going to make a point of saying what happened. And the easiest thing is just to say he was killed at Culloden or in some battle, if he indeed when off. Because that’s the easiest way to get rid of anyone, any male you don’t want around. But yeah, she is definitely a widow.

<p class="MsoNormal"> We also learn that this is not the first time they’ve taken Ian to prison. Mary MacNab says the courts released him each time they took him in.

<p class="MsoNormal"> We learn that one of the men is Corporal McGregor. So, a Scot working for the government now terrorizing other Scots. Mary MacNab says that some McGregor’s fought with the Jacobites and a few for the government. So we get a little history lesson here too, a little background.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So as the paddy wagon leaves we see someone come out of the foliage. Gasp! It’s the Dun Bonnet. Jamie is a-huntin’. So in case you thought he was already King of Men he is now King of Archers, as well. Dang! He brings this huge gift to his family at Lallybroch, this wonderful deer or stag. Was it a boy or a girl?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I believe it was a stag.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  As he enters the courtyard of Lallybroch, he sees a woman with her back to him. The love theme plays and as the woman turns around we see its Claire and then it’s not. It’s Jenny. Now when he takes that deer or stag into the kitchen, into Lallybroch, into the house… oh my gosh, he like slams it down! Holy Jeepers! And she tells him that they’ve taken Ian again.

<p class="MsoNormal"> The next scene is also indoors and they are all doing their part at the dressing of the deer. We learn from Jenny that it’s been 2 years since the Redcoats were. So, Ian’s been free for a bit. That’s interesting that they are not there more often… like… you would think they would be there, I don’t know, every few months? But not to be there for 2 years, that’s quite a stint.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  There are plenty of other Highland families to harass. They have to each take their turn.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  They have to spread the joy, spread the wealth.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Fergus wants to go all-out and take Ian back. He’s the only one who has this type of spunk so far in this episode. It’s consistent with him. And then Jamie’s like taking all his frustration out on that deer. We don’t know… they didn’t show it, they showed a good amount of it but when he does the hard whacks, we don’t really get… they don’t show it like him taking the head off. We don’t see that literally.

<p class="MsoNormal"> And then Jenny asks for Jamie’s help at tallying the rents since it’s that time because Ian is gone. Jamie has been in a bit of a funk probably for 6 years. He is not happy that his family is lying for him. Jenny promises him she has no problem lying because she feels she isn’t lying. James Fraser hasn’t been there for a long time. And, I think in a sense, of course, she’s right. Jamie is but a shell of himself.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (49:14)

<p class="MsoNormal"> We go to the 20th century. Claire is in bed with Frank and she is breathing heavily.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  You know what she’s doing.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  She has one knee out from under the covers. Is she enjoying herself?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Ginger, you know what she’s doing.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  She better be. She keeps seeing a naked Jamie. Meowww!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I think that if I was using my memory to inspire you know, some self play time…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  To inspire yourself?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah, I don’t think those would have been the images I chose. There was so many others moments where Jamie was more… just more…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  More on top of her…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Mmm, just hotter. I mean, she has actual experiences and she chose instead of remembering the times that they were together and doing all those things together. She’s like, “I’m going to remember when he was naked and walking across the room. I’m going to remember that one time I just saw him poking a fire.”  I’m like, there were so many other sexier times to be using for spank material.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (Ginger giggling)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I’ve never heard that before. Oh gosh! So, she sees him in bed too. Because she turns to her right and she sees him, right, at first? But then the fantasy ends and that’s the scene.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Oh hey, I didn’t mention this but I wanted to. Jamie’s beard was way less pubic than the last season.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh the beard, yeah the beard was great.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Much better beard. Didn’t look like a murkin.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (50:51)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  The next scene we see baby Bree. She is adorable and she’s a cute plumper. Maybe it’s just the clothes they had her in but she was a good sized baby. Claire is using that darned mind again.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  You notice she hasn’t given up on the Globe.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Exactly. So, it’s interesting that the issue they show it the date, or a day, shortly after Ireland becomes a free nation. I wonder if that was given… obviously they could have used a number of things to show the time line but I wonder if they did it kind of for Caitriona since she’s from Ireland. I just thought that was an interesting… very apropos of the time but I wondered if they chose that one specifically because of Caitriona. I thought it was kind of cute.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I don’t know.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And Bree has rolled over and apparently she’s a fast mover or a quick developer.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  She’s an early roller.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  An early roller…  Frank comes down stairs after the boiler goes out and he’s in the middle of a shower. And he’s wrapped in a towel and so he’s mostly naked. And they enjoy a parenting moment celebrating the precociousness of their young daughter. Claire puts a hand on his chest and then moves it to Bree. Very slowly, she doesn’t act like she touched fire or anything but they do lock eyes and she’s like, “Oh God, what have I done.”  And then to the baby, that’s safe, ok let’s pet the baby. (laughing)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  So, I want to know Ginger, were you jealous of baby Bree being held by a shirtless Tobias Menzies?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Summer… of a baby? No. That’s kinda gross.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Why?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I don’t ever want to… Summer…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Be held by a shirtless man that looks like Tobias Menzies?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Your words, not mine. I am not saying that but to even compare something that I like that involves a baby in… no! I don’t even want to go there. That’s… yuck.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  You just had to make it weird…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I’m not trying to make it weird… but no… I answered your question. I am not jealous of a baby. (laughing)

<p class="MsoNormal"> So they are connecting through Bree.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Now remember when we had our… we’re not going to go into a lot of detail about the book but during our read-a-long, it was probably Lisa and a number of other who brought up the fact so as where in books 1 and 2, more so 1 than in 2, admittedly, but Jamie and Claire, yes they had more than sex but their connection, their deep connection and deep communication was through physical intimacy specifically. And previously it was… Because Claire is so earthy, Claire is very sexual, right? Just free with herself, not loose but free with herself as far as she gives herself completely to those that she loves or to those she cares about. She was very much similar, at least when it was just Frank and her and Frank before she went back. She was very earthy. She gave herself to Frank. She had no reserve in that. And then when she got to know Jamie, more after their wedding night, it became something more but it was Claire as we knew her with Frank but more. And so she didn’t change, I would say she went more… became more of herself. What I’m trying to say is, before she left and then after she went through the stones on accident and then she went back to Frank on purpose her connection with the men in her life, her intimate partners was a lot of physical intimacy. Although, of course, they had love and all of that too but because she is still connected emotionally and spiritually to Jamie, she cannot connect with Frank the way she used to connect with Frank. So now, the reason I’m bringing up our listener comments from the read-a-long is that this comparison was made. I think several times of how with Jamie, after she left through the stones for the first time, with Jamie her connection remained as it was with Frank in the beginning, remained. They could reach each other’s souls very, very deeply through physical intimacy. When she goes back she no longer can do that with Frank the way she and Frank are mediated is through Bree. So I thought this was a great scene to bring that point home. That is even though they had… it was a little awkward at the end of that scene, Bree was shown how much they both loved Bree and how Bree is their mediator. Bree is how they come together.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (55:30)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Ok, back in the 18th century… Jamie is walking around in the wood and he takes us to his cave.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Can we talk about how big his cave is?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And also how gross it was that he did that fish thing. I mean, I don’t like fish but y’all STARZ… if ya ever want me to like fish… which you probably don’t care… no! Talk about the cave, it was ginormous!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It was huge. You know, all these years of reading I never imagined a cave that large and I’m assuming it had to be that large for several reason, not the least of which being, you know getting cameras moved around and… I think wanting to make it seem like he wasn’t, while he was living in a cave, he was not that bad off over the years. I don’t know, maybe but I always felt such a deep sympathy for Jamie because I imagined him living in a small cave.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Well also, if I’m not mistaken, in the books when he and Mary MacNab knock boots it was out in front of the cave.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Oh, I didn’t remember that.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Because it was a picnic… In the show it’s inside so they had to have a place long enough… uh, that’s Freudian, big enough for them to lie together because  they were not outside.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I don’t remember them doing it outside.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  They had a picnic. They were out front eating. I remember he got a blanket or she got a blanket or something and laid it down. So there was much prep.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, there’s a whistle in the distance. Jamie carefully goes to the hidey-hole at his peephole which is his door and looks out. It’s Fergus. Jamie is not happy. He’s upset that Fergus came this way and he tells him, “You could have had us both killed if someone found you.”  Then he whips out the gun, Fergus does and says, “I want to learn how to shoot, mi lord.”  Jamie is pissed. Fergus is honestly anxious. He wants to be ready for the next rebellion. The poor soul doesn’t know that this it. That’s the end of the Highlands, of Scotland at that time, as it had been.

<p class="MsoNormal"> I’ll go back to kind of what Summer was saying, he definitely is the one with the spark in this episode and he is the one truest to his character from beginning to end. I mean, Jenny and Ian are too, don’t get me wrong, but Fergus is… oh, Fergus… love Fergus.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I think Fergus needs more chores.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh, he doesn’t have enough to go.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  He has far too much free time and he’s bored.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh gosh…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  If he’s plotting rebellions he needs more chores.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Jamie tries to tell him, no more. Fergus isn’t having it, “Just because you’re a coward now doesn’t mean I am!”  Well delivered by young Fergus. Weapons, as I said, are outlawed and Fergus is supposed to put the pistol back where he found it, Jamie tells him, and to never touch it again.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Sometime later, Mary MacNab is hanging laundry when Jamie enters the courtyard. He doesn’t like making eye contact with anyone, it seems. He kind of looks at the ground… he acknowledges her, he’s not being rude to her but he’s not making eye contact really. He says he’s there to help with the ledgers and we hear Jenny in the background… home girl’s in labor with baby #53.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Right? Of course the rest of them have all disappeared and only Young Jamie remains…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  (laughing) Exactly! So as Jenny cries out during her birthing pains the boys see a raven, which is supposed to be ill luck and they want to protect the new bairn. So, apparently seeing a raven means someone will die, there will be a death and since she’s in labor, obviously the most sense is that they’re afraid it means the new bairn. So, of course, they go get the pistol. Fergus knows how to do it. He says he remembers how Murtagh showed him how to load the gun etc. And they take the pistol and Fergus aims it at the raven and kills it.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I mean you’ve got to give him props for a good shot.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  In one shot, absolutely.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  He did not throw away his shot.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  No.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And notice that was a nice one I didn’t have to sing because I don’t rap. Summer’s like, “Thank God.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> And, who should be close enough to hear the shot… but the Redcoats, of course. Now Jamie is peee-ossed and goes to tell Fergus to never touch that pistol again and Fergus is not having it. He insists we were protecting the bairn. The baby, it so happens, is born and it’s a boy. I wrote… it’s not a spoiler for the episode but it hasn’t happened at this point yet in the episode but it soon does… he is named Ian. This is our beloved, Young Ian.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Mary MacNab takes the pistol away and Jamie is in the room with Jenny and the baby and he’s holding the baby. I wrote, Jamie with Young Ian is priceless. Whoa! Jenny knows how to segue, she says, “You look great with a baby in your arms. How long has it been since you had sex?”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah, right? Awkward.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Just a bit. We learn that Jamie has told Jenny that Claire is dead, not how or why, just that she is.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Did he tell her dead or did he say gone?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  We don’t hear her words. Jenny says the word, dead. And, it’s been 6 years and here we go again, it’s… (Ginger singing…) “Match Maker, Match Maker, make a match, find me a find, catch me a catch…” and on and on and on. Mary MacNab, she says, can still bear children… dang, ease in a bit Janet! Jamie says, those words… “I won’t marry ever again.”  Yenta… I mean Jenny may be meddling but she only wants him to have happiness. I do believe that but this is also the book where Summer’s hatred of Jenny lasts for her for 4 more books. Basically until the most recent one.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I’m on break up with Jenny by the end of this season, y’all.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Yes. Jamie takes the baby out intending to take it to the other children to see its brothers and sisters and just then, the Redcoats forcibly enter the house with the words, “Find the weapon!”  Jamie’s got this baby in his arms, how’s he going to hide? He runs around and ends up hiding-ish between two doors on the outside of the room. Jenny is literally still in her child bed. Jenny makes an attempt to get out of bed but she doesn’t have time. The Redcoats come in, announce themselves, and demand where this weapon is. They go through all the cupboards.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  But you notice, they call it her child bed but she didn’t have the baby in that bed.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  That’s true.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  She had it on the straw in front of the fireplace. Like you know, every good Biblical figure… in a manger… surrounded by animals, but no ravens. ‘Cause they’ve been shot.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Now, they go through all the cupboards, as I said, slightly different from the books where Jamie was hiding with the baby in a closet. Now Jamie is as cool as cucumber. The captain realizes that Jenny’s just given birth and she says it was stillborn. The midwife, she said, took the body away to prepare it for burial. Then Mary MacNab saves the day. She brings in the pistol. She says it belonged to her late husband and when the raven cried, she said she killed it because she wanted to protect the bairn. “But it was too late.” Jenny adds. As Mary looks at Jenny she catches on quickly. “Aye,” she says. “The baby was dead. It was too late.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Can you imagine an incidence in your day-to-day life now where you could get away with something with the excuse of, “Well there was a raven.”  “Summer, you’re late for work.”  “Well, there was a raven.” (Ginger chuckles) “Why did you stab that man that was walking down the street?”  “There was a raven.”  So many people have used that as an excuse in this episode. Only in the 18th century Scotland would that ever be an excuse that would be acceptable.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  The captain, it seems, does have a heart. He has the weapon and he deems Mary MacNab no threat. So, she’s literally saved the day.

<p class="MsoNormal"> The Redcoats start to leave and Jamie, a little bit too soon, takes a step and the floor creaks.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Do you know what I missed?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  What?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  From the books, I missed the scene of Young Jamie coming up and basically being an unwitting improv partner to Jenny and crew when she’s like, “the baby didn’t make it.”  And he’s like, “The baby didn’t make it!!!! AHHHH!”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  OH! Because he doesn’t know…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  He doesn’t know and she’s like, “The baby died.” And he’s like, “What?? The baby died!” (Ginger giggling). That’s one more thing where the Redcoats are like, I gotta get outta here.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  That’s right. I forgot about that. So just as Jamie creaks that floorboard the Asshat Corporal turn as if to look and he’s yelled at by the captain. That captain, yes he was a Redcoat and yes, he wanted to do bad things to Jamie but he was at least seemed to be a man of honor much more than that MacGregor dude.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, when Jamie comes back in the room baby and mother are reunited and Jenny nurses him. Hot diggity. So just in case they look, Jenny has Jamie dig a grave in the cemetery for the supposed stillborn baby. I guess you gotta cover all your bases because you straight up lied to the dude. So…

<p class="MsoNormal"> (1:05:53)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Back to the 20th century, Claire is in bed with Frank. She now tries to get closer to him physically. But is she??? She’s tracing his face, maybe as if he were Jamie. He wakes up obviously at some point and she says, “I miss my husband.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Very carefully chosen words.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Exactly. I wrote, “Well that’s true but whom is she speaking of actually.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I was like, which one?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  She strips and totally climbs on top. She’s totally, totally thinking of Jamie. And they go to town and there’s no rebuff there.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (1:06:33)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  18th century, the Redcoats have brought Ian back. Whoo-hoo! Fergus is caring for the goats. Sorry, I think he was caring for the goats earlier too, I just forgot to write it down but this is straight up from the books. Because I remember the description about how there was the billy goat and he had a certain name and then all the female goats… I remember, I’m not lying… because we got feedback about it and we laughed about it. The main dude goat, it was a funny named started with an H…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Had giant balls.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Yes! Almost like udders. They almost hit the ground. They were giant. So I just love they gave Fergus the job of having the goats. It’s little, tiny silly things like that, that don’t cost a penny, I love! They just tickle my soul.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So, Ian has such a great sense of humor. He says, “It’s been a lovely visit gentlemen.” (laughing)  And he’s just gotten out of jail. Oh Lordy! And then the soldiers leave. So some time later, maybe the same day, because he’s in front of the house and not with the goats any more, Fergus takes off into the woods. He realized, and of course he’s going on his way to Jamie’s but he realized that there are Redcoats following him. He purposefully leads them away from Jamie’s cave. Now, that one Redcoat is kind a cute, not MacGregor.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  MacGregor?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  No, the other one.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I wasn’t looking at either of them. I was watching the scene unfold.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:   The soldiers realize that Fergus is leading them around in circles and Fergus is all grins. Here’s more of the Fergus meets Claire, who said Claire was gone, she’s not gone, she’d here in the form of a 16 or 17 year old French gavrosh throwing insults at the soldiers who have the power to do lots of terrible things.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  And seriously, they’re not very bright, these soldiers.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  No.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  They’re best offensive attempt at a epitath, epith… at a comeback was that he was a frog eater. Hey frog eater, I’m like really? That’s the best you’ve got. Fergus came up with at least 10 in quick succession while running backwards.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (Ginger laughing) While running backwards…

<p class="MsoNormal"> (Summer laughing) I’m like come on…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  After a personal insult to MacGregor, he takes off away from Jamie’s cave and they follow. As Fergus is making his way away followed by the Redcoats, two more of them on horseback appear in front of him on the path. He goes in between them in the opposite direction but one of them catches him and MacGregor yells at them to hold him down. In horror, we see along with Jamie, because Jamie has now heard the ruckus and he’s come out and he’s viewed most of the latter half of this. The problem is Jamie can’t do a ding-dong thing and we’ll get to that in a second. So, along with Jamie we see the entire future of wee Fergus change in an instant. Jamie is helpless. Fergus is crying in pain.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  The twitching fingers was…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  was kinda narst…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I was like… blahhh.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Now they leave him. Now somewhat differently from the books and it’s not a spoiler because you just found out about his hand, in the books he is I think with other boys too, they’re helping bring up whisky to him, right? ‘Cause they’re carrying a whisky cask.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Mmm-hmm.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And the soldiers are around and that is true, they do find him. I think he is trying to lead them away at that point… that part is the same, I believe. But, they may have an idea that he taking them somewhere but I believe the soldiers wanted some whisky or wanted to steal it from him and he was like, “No you will not take this from me…” or … The soldier definitely had an intention to do harm or to at least scare Fergus and the other boys cause Fergus was not alone, if I’m not mistaken. But he did not have the intention of cutting off his hand. Because in the book, he and all the others around him… which was kind of reflected in the show… were shocked at what happened. The guys who did it, I don’t think expected to do it. Proof of that is in how they acted and a huge change from the books but, I think a nice change and I understand why they did it… was that in the book the hand was mostly by accident. They meant to scare. They meant to intimidate and I think they meant for them to drop the cask or for them to give over the cask of whisky and he wouldn’t let it go and that’s how his hand go chopped off. But in the book he was not held down and his hand chopped off in the same way. And, what did they do? They took him. Because Jamie couldn’t come out, right? Because they were there, they were horrified, they did not leave him. They took him back to Lallybroch, if I’m not mistaken. And Jamie had to sit there and watch this and they took the hand with them. They had that much respect for what happened.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I feel like the books was more of a, “Well, that escalated quickly.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Exactly. Good words. Exactly.

<p class="MsoNormal"> And this one was… they want to make it a point… Jamie still watched… that happened. He still got his hand cut off… that happened. So, it’s all lining up. How they get there isn’t really that important but I thought it was odd that this escalated and then they leave him, “Let’s go! Get out of here!” because they’re scared. They know that they went too far or at least the one went too far.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  He doesn’t think he went too far…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  No, I know…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Sumner]:  He just doesn’t want to get caught for it… but everyone else was like, “Ooo, don’t do that.” … and it was also the one who did it was the one Scottish dude among them which I don’t understand, I’m not quite sure I understand that choice. I know that that makes him more of a jerkwad to be against his own people but I don’t know why that was necessary, per say. Because we didn’t need another reason to dislike a Redcoat. I think we disliked them all enough just for, you know…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Well, that’s why… But it does put the English or at least the English troops in a better light than the Scottish troops…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Of course it did…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  … at least in this incident.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah. But I don’t know what that serves story wise.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Well, I think it’s a little history lesson to show you that it wasn’t just English. That’s why it’s important to make the distinction between government and British or government and English because even though I know Culloden is 6 years gone, it shows you that there is animosity between Scots. Now, it may not have been as strong as before the uprising, obviously they weren’t killing each other necessarily but once it escalated then it, yeah, it was… I think the choice to have a Scottish Redcoat do it was obviously very much a strong choice.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It was a choice. I think it would have been just as strong of a choice to have a moment, granted I didn’t write the show, and this was their story to write…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  (gasping) What??

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Right, I know, I know you’re surprised. But, I think that it would have been equally, I mean it would have been a totally different move, but it would have been equally as moving of a moment to have that be the turning point when maybe this Scottish officer who’s been working with the Redcoats has a moment of, “I’m on the wrong side.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  But they didn’t have time for that.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Sure they did. It would have taken one look. It would have taken one look…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  After he did it?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah. If it had been one of the strict British people and not the turn-coat Scot who did it, and had one of them chop off Fergus’ hand and then have MacGregor, who’s been kind of an asshole for the entire episode, all of a sudden be like, “Dude. WTF! That was really (bike horn honk) f’d up. Maybe I need to rethink my life.”  And that could all have been told in like a couple of glances.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Yeah, mmm-hmm.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I just think that would have been a different… granted it would have been a totally different story to tell and… I don’t know, I don’t understand the need for that but… I’m sure there was a good reason.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Once the Redcoats are gone Jamie, of course, steps in to be the hero he couldn’t be moments earlier. He carries Fergus to Lallybroch. Now this is not really smart. If I were a Redcoat and I believed the people of Lallybroch were protecting the Dun Bonnet and this wee Frenchie knew where he was, I would not leave so soon. Surely, if there were a Dun Bonnet in the area he might have come out. I just think that was a little bit convenient. But, regardless of who did the hand cutting it made sense, for the show, they wanted Jamie to be the one to carry him back. So, I understand why they had them run for that part. Interesting choices…

<p class="MsoNormal"> Jamie staunches the bleeding and uses his skill he learned from Claire to tourniquet the arm and he says, “I watched milady do this many time.”  And I love that he refers to Claire as “milady” in front of Fergus because that was her title to him.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Fergus is surely in shock. Jamie carries him back to the house and they leave the hand. I’m honestly not sure why. Maybe we’ll find out that they went back and got it. Maybe, who knows whenever, in the future episodes we’ll find something out, but who knows?

<p class="MsoNormal"> Ok, so they’ve gone to the house and spent some time. He’s up in bed. He’s resting comfortably and Jenny has taken care of him. She comes down and she says to Jamie that Fergus is as well as he can be and she reminds him that if he’d stopped the Redcoats he’d be dead. Fergus would be dead and they’d all likely be dead. This is the point where Jamie’s stoicism may not right word, but where Jamie’s anger, his shell… I guess shell is the best word because that’s what I used earlier. Him being a shell of himself, whatever that is, finally breaks. He realizes just how much his presence endangers the entire community. Jamie goes to Fergus and he tells him that he reminded him that he has something to fight for, his family. And this line kills me, he says, “There you are, milord.”  Fergus says as he nods his head. Now Jenny has been giving him all the whisky he wants but he reminds Jamie that he prefers French wine, of course. And he reminds Jamie, as well, that he is fortunate and he is now a man of leisure.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  And that was straight out of the book, y’all.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Totally. Awesome.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  “In one stroke I am a man of leisure.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Poor Jamie has another mouth to feed and another responsibility. But he agrees.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  He was already that though.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  He was already taking, yeah… He already trusted him and all of that but Jamie now, not just does it because he promised but does it because he kind of has to. Because Fergus can’t really do a lot of work now.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Fergus says, “I have always trusted you, milord.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> (1:18:24)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Back to the 20th century. Frank and Claire are having a dinner party with their neighbors, Millie and Jerry. They are having, I guess dessert at that point, it’s called Eaton Mess. After dinner, Frank and Claire enjoy a nightcap. Then she begins to disrobe. She takes off her underthings. Claire is trying to regain herself. She hasn’t been her sexual self since losing Jamie. And he takes her up on it. They end up on the floor and as he goes to town, she seems to be enjoying it but her eyes are closed. He wants her to open them. He says, “You never used to close your eyes…” and “Why can’t you look at me?”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Can you… moment ruiner.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I know.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Frank the moment ruiner. Frank the I-Ruin-Everything because… She, I think… eyes closed or not… and if you go back and rewatch seasons 1 and 2, or at least season 1 when she is doing Frank, I can almost guarantee you her eyes were not open the whole time. I think that that is… She was trying to reconnect with him in the way that she could and I think that had he just chilled the frick out they could have gotten back there but he is so jealous of what she may or may not be thinking… and trust me, not everyone is completely thinking of who they’re having sex with when they’re having sex with them every time all the time. They’re just not and to put that kind of an expectation on her, I think is unrealistic and I thought it was kind of like a definite mood killer and I don’t blame her for getting up. I’d have been like, “Peace.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Frank is astute. He says, “Claire when I’m with you, I’m with you. But you’re with him.”  And she, of course, she yeah, she’s basically like mood killer and she storms off.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (1:20:32)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Back in the 18th century. It’s Ian and Jamie and Ian is talking about his missing foot and how he still feels it and sometimes it causes him some pain and he says Fergus’ hand will likely do that for him but he says that Jamie’s missing part is his heart, just as he says, “And that’s just the hand.”  Bear’s music starts under the speech. At first we can’t tell what it is but then we hear it develop into a very, very slow love theme because she is his heart this is the love theme that is underlining that speech.

<p class="MsoNormal"> As he’s leaving, Mary MacNab wants to give Fergus another blanket. Jamie sees the damage the soldiers had done to the walls of Lallybroch and she tells Jamie that it had been the soldiers and it was one of the tapestries that had been slashed, it looked like. Jamie suggests Jenny turn him in to the family, so that the family and estate could take the reward. The danger of his presence will be removed and they’ll have the added benefit that they will have some much needed money. He says to send word to Captain Lewis and to say that they’d heard from him and they know when he’ll be coming. Jenny’s outrage that he’d even consider willingly entering prison is understandable but Jamie says it’s little difference than the prison he’s in now. Literally and figuratively, of course.

<p class="MsoNormal"> In the next scene, Mary MacNab has been sent to Jamie in his hidey-hole, in his cave, and she’s been sent with goodies, sent by Jenny, of course. She shaves him. This is the first layer of his cocoon to be removed or the first step of leaving Dun Bonnet behind and stepping back into Jamie Fraser. So, I got a huge flash from season 1. Didn’t Claire shave him and if she wasn’t shaving him she was doctoring him but he was there in a shirt with a woman standing over him and there was candle light and his hair and he was sitting in the darkness. It was so reminiscent of a scene in season 1.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  She was doctoring him. She wasn’t shaving him. That was when he took her… she was double checking all of his dressings and checking his healing in the kitchen?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I mean it looked like it was the same blocking. I mean like, where she was standing etc. It may not be what he was doing but where she was standing and how they did that and he was in… I mean, he looked the same, the same hair, the same shirt on… everything.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Ok, this is a total Claire flashback. He says, “Thank you for the barbering.”  Well, in those days barbers were ones who handled lots of medical procedures including surgery and bloodletting with the knife or with leeches. They also handled tooth removal too. The red and white barber pole of today stems from the middle ages. “During medieval times barbers performed surgery on customers as well as tooth extractions. The original pole had a brass wash basin at the top representing the vessel in which leeches were kept and the bottom representing the basin that received the blood. The pole itself represents the staff that the patient gripped during the procedure to encourage blood flow.”  So, the fact that it’s a woman… that she’s performing in a semi-medical capacity, even though she isn’t performing literal surgery. though one could say a bit of soul surgery, she represents Claire as woman, soul, and healer. Claire is there to help bring him back to himself to help heal his soul.

<p class="MsoNormal"> It’s his last night. He goes to wash in the river and when he gets back he finds Mary MacNab in her shift. Mary answers his question about whose idea what this. She says, “Does it matter?”  She grabs his arm and she says she wasn’t asked to do what she’s doing. She understands how things were between him and Claire and she only want to offer him some comfort. It’s something they both need, “Something to keep us whole as we move forward in this life.”  Hot diggity! Did I call it or what? Did you hear that? “Something to keep us whole…”  More support for her as a surrogate for Claire. Healer to make him whole, to heal him. And then, he’s ok with it… (laughing). He suddenly changes his mind. She says, “You can look at me if you like.”  And he does and says, “You’re a bonny lass. It’s just something I always do.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  What is something he always… I didn’t understand that. What is the thing he always does? Gets an erection?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Me either. The only… Summer! No, the only thing I could tell was because of the timing was it because maybe he always cried because he had that tear come down? But she never wiped his tear. She never said, “Why are you crying?”  There’s nothing that she did or said for him to reply as to something I always do. So, I was confused by that too. I watched it like 4 times and I’m like, “What’s going on?”  I’m surprised, I guess, that they did a fade-to-black. I think fans will be happy with that.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I am!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  There were a lot of people who wanted to leave out Mary MacNab.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Dude! I had enough of her bony clavicle.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh my gosh!

<p class="MsoNormal"> (1:25:56)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Back to the 20th century. Oh my gosh! That baby Bree and all that hair! It’s so red and… it’s like scarlet! It is gorgeous! I did wonder if it was fake because they had a hat on, so you never know.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Claire throws herself into the roll of wife and mother but she begins to get restless. She feels the healer in her long to come out. At the same time this voice over is going on, she’s looking at a newspaper and she sees the President of the United States had appointed the first woman Treasurer. And the hand in the shot when she’s looking at the newspaper… the right hand showing which ring? Jamie’s ring. C-girl’s going to Med school. She’s the only woman in her class. The professor’s reaction isn’t very welcoming and neither are the looks from her fellow students.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It’s like, “Are you lost?”  “Can I help you find the restroom or where the secretaries hang out…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  “Or your husband’s office…”  Exactly. And we’re also introduced to Joe Abernathy the only African American in the class.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Now I don’t think they met in medical school, did they? I thought they met as interns… at the hospital.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  … Oh! I thought they met in residency but I could be wrong.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Yeah, I didn’t think…

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Oh yeah, it could have been both.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I did not think they met in medical school but I liked it. I did not hate it.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Me too. Claire and Frank are in their bedroom getting ready for bed. She says, “Good night.”  And they seem actually like at ease with each other and then the camera goes to a wider shot and we see they are in true Lucy and Desi form, in twin beds.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I was going to say they’re in their I Love Lucy beds.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  Yep, very good. And we hear the sadness of Frank’s theme.

<p class="MsoNormal"> (1:27:44)

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  18th century. It’s time for Jamie to give himself up. When this happens… when he walks in and you see the camera is on Laura Donnelly and he walk in… from the moment before she even sees him it is, obviously she’s acting, but Jenny is sad, heartbroken, and royally pissed off. She is not happy about this and she… This is not acting. I mean Laura’s acting, Jenny is not acting.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  No.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  She’s very rigid, like she’s doing this against her will. It is so hard to watch because, whoo, I’m going to get even a little tear prick now… Even knowing he’s doing this for his family, even knowing he’s doing it on purpose, it’s still difficult to watch Jenny.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I wanted to say that I thought book Jamie, we all know is a crappy singer but show Jamie was an amazing actor. Showing up and being, like… you know… “I’m home!”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  I know. “I’m home!”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It’s not even just the “I’m home” it just like, “What have you done? No Jenny, don’t do this! How could you do this?”  And she’s like, “It’s your own fault! You brought this on yourself.”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  (laughing) Oh my gosh!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  But what I do remember from the book is that he didn’t intend to struggle but when everything started to go down, he couldn’t not struggle. And I think that he… I don’t know if it was, as an actor, his choice to not intend to struggle but he definitely did struggle. So, I mean, he sold it. He sold the whole thing from the beginning to the end.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And so did she. And she was the harder one to watch. I wrote, “Well done Laura Donnelly!”  Her lines, “You gave me no choice brother and I’ll never forgive ye. NEVER!”

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  It’s the truth. But it’s true!

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  It is. I think Jenny wins best performance of this episode because that was, oh! That was hard. She’s good but that was hard to watch.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I’m only, I feel like a few episodes away from breaking up with her, so I don’t want to get too attached.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  They put Jamie in irons and cart him away.

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<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And back to the 20th century. Claire is walking on a bridge crossing a river in Boston. And bagpipes are playing. Now, I know that song, I just can’t name it. Did you know what it was?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Was it not Scotland the Brave?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  It may have been. A busker is playing the bagpipes and she gives him some money as she walks by. She does not have a baby, right? It’s just her and her little portfolio. The look on her face is also a difficult one to watch. The music just takes her back to Scotland and it takes her back to Jamie. After listening to the music and pausing after she gave the busker some money, she continues on. And after that the bagpipe gets lower or quieter and the music that takes us out is the Dance of the Druids.

<p class="MsoNormal"> That’s 302. That’s “Surrender”.

<p class="MsoNormal"> So Jamie has surrendered, literally. Jenny kind of surrendered, she didn’t want to. Claire, do you think Claire surrendered? How did Claire surrender? Surrender to being herself and to try and stop being someone she wasn’t, maybe?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  Could be.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  And what about Frank?

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  I feel like, if anything, they both kind of gave up which is kind of the same thing as surrendering.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Ginger]:  No, you’re right. They surrendered to what it was going to be.

<p class="MsoNormal"> [Summer]:  And so next week’s episode is entitled, “All Debts Paid”. I’m looking forward to it you guys.

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<p class="MsoNormal"> Thank you, as always, so much for listening. We look forward to our next episode.

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<p class="MsoNormal"> Tb: @bethbonnifield

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